Asked about teacher pay, Luna said, "We have to do something about low teacher pay not just in Idaho but across the country. ... We have to give teachers in Idaho more control over how much money they make." He said he's a proponent of career ladders and pay for performance. Olson said, "I know you are a proponent," but said Luna didn't execute because his pay-for-performance proposal for teachers was "not appropriate for the state, wasn't well thought out and it was a boondoggle." Luna responded that no Democrats voted for his plan because "the union" objected. He said, "Teachers don't like the current system that they work in. They want it changed." Luna said after his ISTARS proposal failed, he reached an agreement with the teachers' association, the superintendents' association, and others, and "when the economy turns around we'll be ready to roll it forward." Olson questioned that, and said, "I must have been serving in a parallel universe."